You seem to think supporting gun control is synonymous with advocating surrender of all firearms, am I right? I ask because I am in favor of some forms of gun control, but I also think that most law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns, but not necessarily any and all types of guns. I'm not sure why you think poppaj's statement would be a lie, even for someone who supports certain forms of gun control. I have met a few people who think people should be allowed to own machine guns, bazookas, rocket launchers, and mortar launchers, and anti-aircraft missiles, but they are the exceptions. I don't stand with those folk. Does that mean I've asked people to give up their guns? I don't think so. Anyhow, I think I've answered your question and then some. In conclusion, I can say without any conflict that I support some form of gun control, but have never in my life asked or expected anyone to give up their guns. I suspect that poppaj shares this very common point of view, but would prefer not to speak for him definitively. My remark about your self-control stems from the fact that sometimes your remarks don't make a whole lot of sense, you don't seem to be able to engage in meaningful conversation, and you say some really weird s**t