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[Leader of the Banned]

A gift from God belief is concerning but I am interested in your definition of evil and if all Trump supporters qualify as well. But that is another story so lets just agree on your polling percentages which all but assures a Biden/Harris win. The problem is in the electoral college. Hillary had 2% more popular vote and lost by 14% in the electoral college. Do you think Biden/Harris will win the popular vote with those 50% Trump is evil thinkers? I am assuming of course that none of those 50% will vote for an evil man. So lets say you and I agree that to be safe we need more than 50% popular vote. Where do we go to get more votes? Based on your choice of words for the 15% and the 2% they will have to come from the 30%! This group will turn out for this election trust me and are probably the most maligned by the extreme left. I believe the extreme left is the problem in the democratic party but that is also another story. So back to the 15% and the 2% and with some Biden/Harris enthusiasm maybe even the 3%. These 3 groups are like insurance if you don't piss them off!

The only thing I can say is that Hillary lost by very small margins in PA, WI, and MI. If Biden can improve on her results by just 1% in every state, then victory is his.

 

[mputnal]

Understood but there are other fear factors in this election that Hillary did not have to contend with like defund the police and violent protesting. Not to mention the Qanon movement which is growing by the day. What group do you think that 1% will come from? Wisconsin is a little iffy right now. The point I am trying to make is that Americans are divided AND angry. Anger and fear make this election very difficult to predict. Yes politics on both sides manipulate us with these emotions and Trump seems to be a master at it. If we get complacent and over-confident and shame enough people into voting for Trump then are we (full fledged Biden/Harris supporters) not part of the blame if Biden loses? Why not...clean up our message just a little. Why not...try and alleviate some of the fear that Trump and his supporters are flinging out there. I don't understand the purpose of dirty political humor, shaming and attacking people in a tight election. I am convinced that everyone who voted for Trump will vote for him again and you are relying on 1% will change their vote. I guess you have written off this county but words written in this forum carry across State lines. I have customers from all over this country and if they read this forum and are undecided do you really think your message is going to inspire them to change their vote?

 

[UofL]

Understood but there are other fear factors in this election that Hillary did not have to contend with like defund the police and violent protesting. Not to mention the Qanon movement which is growing by the day. What group do you think that 1% will come from? Wisconsin is a little iffy right now. The point I am trying to make is that Americans are divided AND angry. Anger and fear make this election very difficult to predict. Yes politics on both sides manipulate us with these emotions and Trump seems to be a master at it. If we get complacent and over-confident and shame enough people into voting for Trump then are we (full fledged Biden/Harris supporters) not part of the blame if Biden loses? Why not...clean up our message just a little. Why not...try and alleviate some of the fear that Trump and his supporters are flinging out there. I don't understand the purpose of dirty political humor, shaming and attacking people in a tight election. I am convinced that everyone who voted for Trump will vote for him again and you are relying on 1% will change their vote. I guess you have written off this county but words written in this forum carry across State lines. I have customers from all over this country and if they read this forum and are undecided do you really think your message is going to inspire them to change their vote?

Election related, consider 'our' (kentucky) AG was/is a RNC speaker. (I'll watch the Stephen Colbert version.) Anyway, Cameron is a black. A Louisvillian. A repub. He has not released Breonna Taylor investigation. Each day there is a protest, sit in, etc in Louisville because of her death on Friday, March 13th. I realize now that it benefits the repubs to continue withholding the results and therefore protests continue in Louisville. This will push more voters back to 45 or give him new voters. The only repub who lost in the last statewide election was lil 45, governor Bevin. Louisville and the few other 'urban' areas gave Governor Beshear a 5,000 vote margin. By delaying the results (& protests continue) those 5,000 votes will certainly go to all repubs especially McMitch. I tell you people, the worst state in this country has too much power over this country. One of the worst educated. Tops in child abuse. Tops in animal abuse. And they are in charge. #boycottky #villexit. Ellen

 

[Lake View Too]

You touched on the core strategy of the Repubs: keep the protests/ rioting stoked. Blame it on the Dems. FEAR is their platform. Period.

 

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[mputnal]

All I know is that Democrats need to build more enthusiasm for Biden/Harris instead of attacking Trump supporters. The republican party has the momentum and will control the momentum with political division. Facts and science should provide enough momentum for Biden but it won't. BTW what is the strategy for the democrats when you effectively remove facts and science? Better start answering some of these questions even if it seems unbelievable that people vote with emotion instead of rational thought...

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Understood but there are other fear factors in this election that Hillary did not have to contend with like defund the police and violent protesting. Not to mention the Qanon movement which is growing by the day. What group do you think that 1% will come from? Wisconsin is a little iffy right now. The point I am trying to make is that Americans are divided AND angry. Anger and fear make this election very difficult to predict. Yes politics on both sides manipulate us with these emotions and Trump seems to be a master at it. If we get complacent and over-confident and shame enough people into voting for Trump then are we (full fledged Biden/Harris supporters) not part of the blame if Biden loses? Why not...clean up our message just a little. Why not...try and alleviate some of the fear that Trump and his supporters are flinging out there. I don't understand the purpose of dirty political humor, shaming and attacking people in a tight election. I am convinced that everyone who voted for Trump will vote for him again and you are relying on 1% will change their vote. I guess you have written off this county but words written in this forum carry across State lines. I have customers from all over this country and if they read this forum and are undecided do you really think your message is going to inspire them to change their vote?

Its the people who didn't bother to vote that I'm hoping for. Its the ones who hated Trump but couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary. If the polls stay as they are and Dems get out the vote, then Biden wins.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden - Defending Democracy Together


We are former national security officials who served during the administrations of Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and/or Donald Trump, or as Republican Members of Congress. We are profoundly concerned about the course of our nation under the leadership of Donald Trump. Through his actions and his rhetoric, Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as President.

For the following reasons, we have concluded that Donald Trump has failed our country and that Vice President Joe Biden should be elected the next President of the United States.

1. Donald Trump has gravely damaged America’s role as a world leader. Trump has disgraced America’s global reputation and undermined our nation’s moral and diplomatic influence. He has called NATO “obsolete,” branded Europe a “foe,” mocked the leaders of America’s closest friends, and threatened to terminate longstanding US alliances. Other global leaders, friends and foes alike, view him as unreliable, unstable, and unworthy of respect.
2. Donald Trump has shown that he is unfit to lead during a national crisis. Instead of rallying the American people and the world to confront the coronavirus, Trump has spent the past half year spreading misinformation, undermining public health experts, attacking state and local officials, and wallowing in self-pity. He has demonstrated far greater concern about the fate of his reelection than the health of the American people.
3. Donald Trump has solicited foreign influence and undermined confidence in our presidential elections. Trump publicly asked Russian president Vladimir Putin to assist his 2016 campaign, called on Chinese president Xi Jinping to “start an investigation” into his current political opponent, and pressured the president of Ukraine to act against his opponent. Citing exaggerated claims of voter fraud, he has challenged the integrity of this year’s election, even suggesting that it be postponed.
4. Donald Trump has aligned himself with dictators and failed to stand up for American values. Trump has regularly praised the actions of dictators and human rights abusers. He proclaimed his “love” and “great respect” for North Korean strongman Kim Jong Un, endorsed “brilliant leader” Xi Jinping’s move to serve as China’s president for life, repeatedly sided with Vladimir Putin against our own intelligence community, and pronounced himself a “big fan” of Turkish president Recep Erdogan despite his crackdown on democracy.
5. Donald Trump has disparaged our armed forces, intelligence agencies, and diplomats. Trump has attacked Gold Star families, scoffed at American prisoners of war, interfered in the military justice system, and embroiled our military in domestic politics. He has ridiculed US intelligence agencies and falsely branded our nation’s diplomats as the “deep state.”
6. Donald Trump has undermined the rule of law. Trump has compromised the independence of the Department of Justice, repeatedly attacked federal judges, and punished government officials who have sought to uphold the law. To protect himself from accountability, he has fired officials who launched investigations or testified against him, threatened whistleblowers, dangled pardons as incentives to stay silent, and blocked prison time for a political crony convicted of lying on his behalf. He has impugned journalists investigating his misconduct and has repeatedly denounced the press as the “enemy of the people.”
7. Donald Trump has dishonored the office of the presidency. Trump engages in childish name-calling, mocks the disabled, belittles women, persistently lies, peddles baseless conspiracy theories, and continually embarrasses Americans in the eyes of the world.
8. Donald Trump has divided our nation and preached a dark and pessimistic view of America. Trump consistently seeks to incite political, racial, and ethnic divisions, weakening our nation and delighting our adversaries. In contrast to Reagan’s vision of America as a “shining city on a hill,” Trump speaks of “American carnage,” pits Americans against each other, and stokes fears that “angry mobs” and “anarchists” are destroying our country.
9. Donald Trump has attacked and vilified immigrants to our country. Trump routinely denigrates immigrants and inflames prejudices as he seeks support for his reelection. Despite America’s legacy as a nation of immigrants, he has demonized Americans who come from other countries, even telling members of Congress whose families immigrated to the United States to “go back” to the “crime-infested places” from which they came.
10. Donald Trump has imperiled America’s security by mismanaging his national security team. Trump has dismissed or replaced — often by tweet — the secretaries of State, Defense, and Homeland Security, the Attorney General, the Directors of National Intelligence and the FBI, three National Security Advisors, and other senior officials in critical national security positions, many because they refused to cover for his misdeeds or demonstrate sufficient personal loyalty.

While we – like all Americans – had hoped that Donald Trump would govern wisely, he has disappointed millions of voters who put their faith in him and has demonstrated that he is dangerously unfit to serve another term.

In contrast, we believe Joe Biden has the character, experience, and temperament to lead this nation. We believe he will restore the dignity of the presidency, bring Americans together, reassert America’s role as a global leader, and inspire our nation to live up to its ideals.

While some of us hold policy positions that differ from those of Joe Biden and his party, the time to debate those policy differences will come later. For now, it is imperative that we stop Trump’s assault on our nation’s values and institutions and reinstate the moral foundations of our democracy.

To that end, we are firmly convinced that it is in the best interest of our nation that Vice President Joe Biden be elected as the next President of the United States, and we will vote for him.

I'm going to have to frame this post. I dismissed Trump as a viable human being so many times for so many things that I take it for granted that he is unfit to be president. I can't always remember everything off the top of my head. What's needed is a concise list of this sort.

 

[mputnal]

Then you need more enthusiasm on the Biden/Harris ticket. I just don't see it that way. I know people who think that Trump is a bad character then go vote for him and then there are all the Trump/Pence flags! Maybe Biden/Harris will get more minority vote but I would not even count on that. There are several prominent African Americans that are talking trash about the democratic party. Herschel Walker is the most recent. I really do not think Hillary lost because people could not bring themselves to vote for her. I am not saying that did not happen but I think she lost because people decided they are tired of politics as usual and wanted a change. Now they are tired of all the drama in the media and Congress. I hope you are right but if the Biden/Harris campaign does not muster up more enthusiasm I think it will be close. Way too close!

 

[Lake View Too]

"Donald Trump has imperiled America’s security by mismanaging his national security team. Trump has dismissed or replaced — often by tweet — the secretaries of State, Defense, and Homeland Security, the Attorney General, the Directors of National Intelligence and the FBI, three National Security Advisors, and other senior officials in critical national security positions, many because they refused to cover for his misdeeds or demonstrate sufficient personal loyalty."

What more do you need to know? Incompetence or treason? Does it matter which?