Who's Counting

[Teresa]

I am actually very conservative but find the current state of our international affairs appalling. When Bill Clinton lied (whom I can not stand), Republicans wanted him hung. Now that George Bush has lied, it is to "protect our freedoms"! It is a big crock of s#@#! They both should have been impeached!

I miss Bill Clinton. more than ever...

 

[TooFarTampa]

A point about the military point of view in itself... The military is designed to make soldiers. It breaks down a person's social mentality in regards to "normal" society and turns men & women into soldiers. That is the point of the military and that is the result. It's simply & blatant socialization. This does not just happen to the soldiers but also the family, including spouses and children. Military life is not life like the rest of us know. Military personnel & their families live, breathe, eat & s*** military values. So, they truly believe what they are saying is to be 100% true. They can't help it or they wouldn't survive. Literally.

I have a great deal of my family in the Army, including the Commanding General of the Third Army, Lt. Gen. Steven Whitcomb. I love him dearly, but I also look at him and go, "D***! He's a killing machine!" And my Aunt Cathy, his wife, is going to have culture shock coming back into the "real world" after so many years of military life after he retires. (This is probably why I turned into a liberal & somewhat of a hippie. Only my late Grandmother & I were liberals in the family. We learned to keep our mouths shut.)

The only reason that I am saying all of this is that each of you is simply doing this when you are trying to reason with CiaoBella or anyone else who justifies their views from a military point of view.

BTW, there is actually a class at UGA called The Sociology of the Military. It was a very depressing semester.

Interesting post organicmama. I do agree with a lot of what you are saying, though I don't think you can paint everyone in the military with the same brush.

As stated previously hubby is a former Marine officer, and since we met in college and were married shortly after, I went through his four years active and three reserves with him. I don't know what he did all day but I'm sure he was a trained killer. :roll: My job meanwhile required me to be an observer and a listener. I never got too rah-rah but I enjoyed my experience as a Marine Corps wife and learned quite a bit. I deeply respect their values and what they as a group have done for our country. I don't know where we would be as a country without the Marines.

However, Marines by definition are hard-core. It is required that they be that way to do what they do. Even my much mellowed hubby is a maniac and I will never be able to keep up with him; only complement him and continue to do my own thing.

If I wanted a full perspective on what's going on, I would not ask a Marine, probably not even the Commandant of the Marine Corps. They are not exactly trained diplomacists and what seems to be called for is much more diplomacy and a lot of finesse.

Interestingly, the reservists keep calling to see if they can get hubby to come back. They even offered a five-figure bonus! But no way would he take it. I feel sorry for those going on three or more tours over there. They are doing way more than their fair share. And for what?

 

[John R]

OMG Ciaobella, Barack the muslim will announce he is running for president tomorrow morning What should we do now? Our great country will be ruled by leftist infidels. Help. Do you know of a skinhead group we can enroll in?

 

[Bdarg]

OMG Ciaobella, Barack the muslim will announce he is running for president tomorrow morning What should we do now? Our great country will be ruled by leftist infidels. Help. Do you know of a skinhead group we can enroll in?

 

[drunkkenartist]

OMG Ciaobella, Barack the muslim will announce he is running for president tomorrow morning What should we do now? Our great country will be ruled by leftist infidels. Help. Do you know of a skinhead group we can enroll in?

T-T-Tell Me You are K-K-K idding?






:funn:

 

[Kimmifunn]

caiobella, freedom of spech is right. even the liberals have the right to say what they want in 'this greatest country on earth'. are liberals not allowed in your country? and i ask again, are muslims bad people? jews? blacks? asians? latinos? gays?

just want to see where you're coming from.

Liberals=Hippies (JohnR).;-)

I thought this thread was about someone missing Kathydwell's like 7k post. Yikes. Sorry I stepped in.

 

[TheSheep]

Let me first say that I am married to a former Marine Corp officer who has served in war. This thread is very disappointing and narrow-minded. First, you really don't want us to pull out of Iraq at this time. Iran is drooling waiting for that to happen. Iran is out of control and if they gain control in Iraq we will battle there once again in a worse battle. Second, if you will research your stats, our President pulled over 20,000 troops out in the past year. At worst this means that we are discussing the "same 20,000" not an ADDITIONAL 20,000. Also, talk to our service members who have actually been there, most Iraqi people are grateful we are there. Do you really believe that if we pull out now the people in Iraq will successfully establish a democracy on their own with vultures circling them? Not to mention that the country would be a hot bed for more terrorists. The world is just not about you, I know that shocks you but its true. This is the best country on Earth and if you just want to shoot your mouth off with inaccurate information then get the hell out. You have it made here and you certainly have done nothing to deserve that! Some wonderful soldiers before you gladly gave their lives so you can all ***** and moan about decisions made. Yes, mistakes have been made but Democrats made them just as Republicans did. I hope none of you vote again before you try harder to collect accurate facts. You are a total idiot if you want Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Obama the muslim etc in charge of your life. Wake up sheeple!

Let me first say that ChowHeadBella is married to a former Marine Corp officer who has served in war. This thread is very disappointing and narrow-minded to her and oh so reminiscent of the good ole Dick Nixon, "Stand By Me" days. Let me so display!

First, you really don't want us to pull out of Vietnam at this time. Russia is drooling waiting for that to happen. China is out of control and if they gain control in Vietnam we will battle there once again in a worse battle. Second, if you will research your stats, our President pulled over 20,000 troops out in the past year (replacing them with "consultants"). At worst this means that we are discussing the "same 20,000" not an ADDITIONAL 20,000, see how math works in war? Also, talk to our service members who have actually been there, most Vietnamese people are grateful we are there. Do you really believe that if we pull out now the people in Vietnam will successfully establish a democracy on their own with vultures circling them? Not to mention that the country would be a hot bed for more terrorists. The world is just not about you, I know that shocks you but its true, it's about feeding the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex, you dolt! This is the best country on Earth <insert John Wayne and "It's A Grand Ole Flag"> and if you just want to shoot your mouth off with inaccurate information then get the hell out. Love It Or Leave It, that's what the Klan Say! You have it made here and you certainly have done nothing to deserve that! What if yo Momma had birth control? Some wonderful soldiers before you gladly gave their lives so you can all ***** and moan about decisions made. Yes, mistakes have been made but Democrats made them just as Republicans did. Just b/c they shot the Kennedys to get to LBJ who had promised to escalate the Vietnam War, its the Demos fault they didn't successfully recruit Nixon either. I hope none of you vote again before you try harder to collect accurate facts. Wake up sheeplefriends!

 

[TheSheep]

I miss Bill Clinton. more than ever...

I have replicas of The Dress. Email me, wool lined or not.

 

[TheSheep]

I am confused. What has Bush lied about?

That he never inhaled cocaine.

<response measured to level of question asked>

 

[TheSheep]

I was under the impression that Congress (both Republicans and Democrats) voted to send us to war based on the intelligence reports about Iraq's weapons and the fact that Iraq would not comply with the UN resolutions. If the intelligence reports had been ignored by the Bush administration and an attack had occured as a result, Bush and his administration would have been held accountable. I guess I just feel to say that he lied and should be impeached when Congress approved it is wrong.

I pray for President Bush and for our troops every day. There is no doubt that this war is a terrible mess and the stakes are incredibly high. The terrorists want nothing more than to kill every one of us and if Iraq is left in a shambles I fear that they will be successful.

Just my 2 cents for whatever that is worth.

Let's make this abundantly clear.

(1) Bush ignored CIA reports that they could find no WMD. Completely ignored them and remember, his Daddy ran he CIA.........

(2) then he knowingly lied to the entire World that this "invasion" was about 9/11 and WMC. Neither was the case, not one instance can now be found that Iraq or Saddam had one damn thing to do with 9/11.

(3) Whether Iraq is left inshambles or not, terrorrists want to kill everyone of us.

(4) Dick Nixon was guilty.

<#4 was to relate delusion past to deulusions present>