The US War - Five Years On

[Jdarg]

Yeah, r-i-g-h-t! Did you see the whack jobs throwing rocks at Rove last week? Or the effigy roast in (I think) Portland last month? Mean little doves, I am telling you:roll:

Good thing Punzy has an alibi. Or I would have guessed it was her!;-)

 

[Uncle Timmy]

But my poll is more recent and has twice the power. Ahhh, screw it. By the way, I was wondering last night how well the Uncle Timmy Doctrine would have gone over at those She-yite demonstrations yesterday

OMG! The Uncle Timmy Doctrine.

In a nutshell:

Our nation has a very vunerable Achilles? Heal ?our dependence on imported oil- A sizable portion of which comes from the Mid-East. There is simply no other threat to our national security greater than the loss of this energy supply. Yes, greater even than the threat from terrorism. Therefore our policies should reflect this threat first and foremost. Primarily by:
a. Working to maintain an uninterrupted flow of this energy supply.
b. Working towards an independence from this reliance on imported energy.

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We are very vunerable to the loss of oil supplied from the Mid-East. Chickpea has offered an insightful article on the growing rise of the Shia Cresent which threatens the Sunni dominated governments friendly to the west. That certainly represents a real threat to these countries, and we should note ?is directly attributable to Bush?s policies.

Anti-American sentiment is also extremely relevant. Anyone who wants to look up an historical example of what happens when the US aggressively backs a leader from a country with growing anti-American sentiment, please refer to The Iranian Revolution, 1979. We can only push the Anti-US sentiment so far until the disconnect between these leaders and their people reaches a critical point.

In conclusion as to the original article: The Iraq war cannot be justified by the fact that we haven?t suffered any terrorist attacks in the past 5 years when one considers the potential damage to our long tern interests as outlined above.

 

[6thGen]

Well done, Uncle Timmy. You've ignored everything I posted, avoided discussion, and called me arrogant and ill-informed. Duplicity is thy middle name.

 

[Bdarg]

Well done, Uncle Timmy. You've ignored everything I posted, avoided discussion, and called me arrogant and ill-informed. Duplicity is thy middle name.

Therefore, he must have stuck to the facts.

Way to go Uncle Timmy.

 

[6thGen]

Also, UT, are you denying that the Middle East has a more violent history than, well, any civilization?

 

[6thGen]

Therefore, he must have stuck to the facts.

Way to go Uncle Timmy.

So you don't have anything to add either, cheerleader?

 

[Bdarg]

So you don't have anything to add either, cheerleader?

Facts are facts, why post them twice?

 

[TooFarTampa]

Facts are facts, why post them twice?

I think he's looking for a couple more people to jump in so he can brag about being able to take all of you on with half his brain tied behind his back.

I just had a chance to read this entire thread, and am impressed with the depth of the knowledge and analysis here on all sides. If this has not been a suitably intellectually honest debate, 6thgen, then what is? If it is something else I guess you will not find it here, so then why are you still here?

Really not trying to drive you away, just wondering. Thanks for starting this thread, I've taken much from it. I can't help but wonder whether our incurious leader bothered to parse things this carefully before jumping into Iraq. My guess is he stuck to the talking points only. Much more here than talking points. Nice job everyone.

I have nothing else to add, so I guess that makes me a cheerleader.

 

[kathydwells]

I think he's looking for a couple more people to jump in so he can brag about being able to take all of you on with half his brain tied behind his back.

I just had a chance to read this entire thread, and am impressed with the depth of the knowledge and analysis here on all sides. If this has not been a suitably intellectually honest debate, 6thgen, then what is? If it is something else I guess you will not find it here, so then why are you still here?

Really not trying to drive you away, just wondering. Thanks for starting this thread, I've taken much from it. I can't help but wonder whether our incurious leader bothered to parse things this carefully before jumping into Iraq. My guess is he stuck to the talking points only. Much more here than talking points. Nice job everyone.

I have nothing else to add, so I guess that makes me a cheerleader.

And I was wondering if 6thgen ever got to the beach to relax, see a beautiful sunset, a beautiful moonrise....it is medicine for the soul.

 

[meigsart]

Very interesting reading. I have been watching a lot of very interesting documentaries lately about the media involvement during the first years of the war and its effect on public sentiment. Between 1997 and 2005 the FCC, the rulers of the airwaves was run by a commissioner named Michael Powell, Colin's son...how bizarre.