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Another thing. If Trump is impeached but not removed, that is no way vindication. It in no way means he is "innocent" or "not guilty". Just think about it. Was Bill Clinton vindicated? Did he not lie to a jury? Were there legitimate grounds for impeachment? Of course there were, it's just that there were enough Senators who felt it wasn't serious enough for removal based on the circumstances. Now we have a situation where there are an abundance of reasons for impeachment, and lot of Republican Senators know deep in their heart that removal is the only moral choice. They are going to have to go against their consciences in order to preserve their political careers for a man who would s**t on them at moment's notice for political convenience.

Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.

Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".
 
Damn, just reading where once again the US is going to fck over the Kurds. Shame.
They must have told trump no on his Biden scam.

When did Syria OK the US to move our guys into their country?

Trump is trying to honor what he ran on: "no more senseless foreign wars". I sincerely hope he pulls us completely out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and many others. The $989 BILLION that we devote to maintaining our foreign empire could be spent at home don't you think?

The healthcare you all want, elaborate coast to coast rail system, upgraded interstates, FAA upgrades, energy infrastructure. Much of this could be reality if we moved just 20% of the defense budget over.
 
Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.

Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".
I think it's just that more time goes by, the bigger the hole Trump digs for himself. The case builds. Impeachment and removal require justification, but that's not enough. There has to be motivation. From the house, we have more than enough votes. It would be nice to tack on one or 2 GOP votes just to twist the knife a bit. I fully believe the speculation that the number of GOP senators favoring removal is in double digits. I think there are at least that many who have some semblance of a moral compass. Most of them, for political reasons choose to remain anonymous, but there have been at least a couple of tells so far. I would put Mitt Romney and even Lindsey Graham in that category, Time may tell if they ever develop any semblance of a spine. No one can be 100% sure that there will be an impeachment vote, but if this were Texas hold 'em, I'd be all in.
 
Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.

Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".
Fact, Neither house rules or the constitution require a vote to begin impeachment process. If you had “alternative” facts you would have presented them. You should have learned from trump that ranting does not make bullsht true.
 
And now we see....Team Obama started the Ukraine debacle back in 2014. Biden is on his way out.


Then-Vice President Joe Biden upon his arrival for a meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko Kyiv on Jan. 16, 2017. (GENYA SAVILOV/AFP/Getty Images)
US NEWS
Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence
Newly released evidence suggests Ukraine played key role in creating Trump–Russia collusion narrative at behest of Obama officials
BY JEFF CARLSON
April 26, 2019 Updated: June 14, 2019
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Ukraine underwent dramatic changes in 2014, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden played a critical role in the Obama administration’s involvement in the revolution that ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

Following the revolution, Biden would use his influence to help force the creation of the troubled National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU). Notably, during the 2016 election campaign, information leaked from NABU about Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort that helped to create the false narrative that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election.

Biden also would use the threat of withholding $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to pressure Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire the prosecutor general. At the time, the prosecutor had been investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian natural gas giant that had appointed Biden’s son, Hunter, as a board member.

President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, recently said, “Keep your eye on Ukraine.” In his comments to the Washington Examiner, Giuliani highlighted the “plot to create an investigation of President Trump, based on a false charge of conspiracy with the Russians to affect the 2016 elections.”

Obama Administration’s 2014 Involvement
On or shortly before Feb. 4, 2014, Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary for European and Eurasian affairs in the Obama State Department, had a conversation with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which was intercepted and leaked.

In the call, Nuland and Pyatt appeared to be discussing the ouster of Yanukovych and the installation of opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk as prime minister.


Nuland favored opposition leader Yatsenyuk over his main rivals Vitali Klitschko and Oleh Tyahnybok, telling Pyatt: “I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the … what he needs is Klitschko and Tyahnybok on the outside.”

Toward the end of the conversation, then-Vice President Biden was discussed as being willing to help cement the changeover in Ukraine:

Geoffrey Pyatt: “We want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.”

Victoria Nuland: “So, on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [Biden’s national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need Biden, and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.”

Nuland and Pyatt met with Ukrainian opposition leaders Klitschko and Yatsenyuk, along with then-President Yanukovych, just days later on Feb. 7, 2014.


Events then moved swiftly. On Feb. 22, 2014, Yanukovych was removed as president of Ukraine and fled to Russia. On Feb. 27, 2014, Yatsenyuk, the candidate favored by Nuland, was installed as prime minister of Ukraine. Klitschko was left out. Notably, Yatsenyuk would later resign in April 2016 amid corruption accusations.

Rest of the article: Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence

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And now we see....Team Obama started the Ukraine debacle back in 2014. Biden is on his way out.


Then-Vice President Joe Biden upon his arrival for a meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko Kyiv on Jan. 16, 2017. (GENYA SAVILOV/AFP/Getty Images)
US NEWS
Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence
Newly released evidence suggests Ukraine played key role in creating Trump–Russia collusion narrative at behest of Obama officials
BY JEFF CARLSON
April 26, 2019 Updated: June 14, 2019
Share
Ukraine underwent dramatic changes in 2014, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden played a critical role in the Obama administration’s involvement in the revolution that ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

Following the revolution, Biden would use his influence to help force the creation of the troubled National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU). Notably, during the 2016 election campaign, information leaked from NABU about Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort that helped to create the false narrative that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election.

Biden also would use the threat of withholding $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to pressure Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire the prosecutor general. At the time, the prosecutor had been investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian natural gas giant that had appointed Biden’s son, Hunter, as a board member.

President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, recently said, “Keep your eye on Ukraine.” In his comments to the Washington Examiner, Giuliani highlighted the “plot to create an investigation of President Trump, based on a false charge of conspiracy with the Russians to affect the 2016 elections.”

Obama Administration’s 2014 Involvement
On or shortly before Feb. 4, 2014, Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary for European and Eurasian affairs in the Obama State Department, had a conversation with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which was intercepted and leaked.

In the call, Nuland and Pyatt appeared to be discussing the ouster of Yanukovych and the installation of opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk as prime minister.


Nuland favored opposition leader Yatsenyuk over his main rivals Vitali Klitschko and Oleh Tyahnybok, telling Pyatt: “I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the … what he needs is Klitschko and Tyahnybok on the outside.”

Toward the end of the conversation, then-Vice President Biden was discussed as being willing to help cement the changeover in Ukraine:

Geoffrey Pyatt: “We want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.”

Victoria Nuland: “So, on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [Biden’s national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need Biden, and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.”

Nuland and Pyatt met with Ukrainian opposition leaders Klitschko and Yatsenyuk, along with then-President Yanukovych, just days later on Feb. 7, 2014.


Events then moved swiftly. On Feb. 22, 2014, Yanukovych was removed as president of Ukraine and fled to Russia. On Feb. 27, 2014, Yatsenyuk, the candidate favored by Nuland, was installed as prime minister of Ukraine. Klitschko was left out. Notably, Yatsenyuk would later resign in April 2016 amid corruption accusations.

Rest of the article: Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence
The Epoch Times? Are you friken joking? :floor:
This is as bad as your fake meme.
 
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Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.

Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".

I'll add Nikki Haley and Ben Sasse to the list of senators.
 
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