30A Skunkape
Skunky
Anyone else looking forward to Al Gore's acceptance speech at the academy awards? :roll:
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An Inconvenient Truth
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TripleB
Beach Fanatic
Sorry, but "The world's top climate scientists (according to who?) said..." is not scientific proof! Now I see that the hottest years on record (since 1850's) fall after 1994. Earlier in this thread, the top ten hottest years on record were given. The rankings showed that only 4 out of the 10 years listed were after 1994. The 1930's remain the hottest decade on record.
Scientist projections, opinions, ideas etc.... isn't scientific data. I agree, the data seems to show warming but the J U M P from that to "its our fault" isn't scientific at all. Lets face it though, you don't really think its our fault. You think its "big oil", the gluttonous USA and of course conservatives because they don't "care" as much as you do.
We have a devestating tornado last night in FL (it was referenced earlier) so it was due to GW (implied). Hurricane projections for this past fall were ominous but no major storms. I sure this is due to GW too, I just haven't figured out the angle. I must go now and see if there is still snow in my backyard
Scientist projections, opinions, ideas etc.... isn't scientific data. I agree, the data seems to show warming but the J U M P from that to "its our fault" isn't scientific at all. Lets face it though, you don't really think its our fault. You think its "big oil", the gluttonous USA and of course conservatives because they don't "care" as much as you do.
We have a devestating tornado last night in FL (it was referenced earlier) so it was due to GW (implied). Hurricane projections for this past fall were ominous but no major storms. I sure this is due to GW too, I just haven't figured out the angle. I must go now and see if there is still snow in my backyard
30A Skunkape
Skunky
You forgot to add that the groundhog saw his shadow with unprecedented swiftness this morning. Hello spring, goodbye Greenland.
danhall
Beach Lover
Let me correct you-
I think it is MY fault. In my mind, global warming is MY fault. I am the cause of global warming. I want to change. I want to do/be better.
You have the propensity to disbelieve the assertion that man could cause such a change as global warming in the dynamics of an environment; whereas, I am inclined to believe that this is so. The reason this movie is useful pertains to how much it is a collection of the data that you keep requesting me to provide. Have you seen the movie? I'll agree with anyone who says it may have been a little heavy-handed in spots, but the data he provides is very straight-forward and compelling. Even a simple line graph of the earth's human population over time was completely illuminating. It gave perspective as to what you seem so skeptical about- that there are enough of us to change a planet.
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World consensus of scientists and governments released a grave statement yesterday stating that they are over 90% sure that the World climate change is being caused by humans.
Listen to this quick clip from NPR. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change offers the most definitive word on the science of global warming.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7137290
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Listen to this quick clip from NPR. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change offers the most definitive word on the science of global warming.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7137290
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TripleB you have alluded to the idea that the Global Warming debate may be an attempt to get a democrat into the white house. Today I feel a deep sense of shame, and I will tell you why. I voted for Bush when he was running against Al Gore. That's right I voted for Bush, not the guy who made the movie that I feel everyone needs to see. After hearing Bush's response to the IPCC report I am more ashamed of my decision than ever before. I am not ashamed that I voted republican, but rather specifically that I voted for George W. Bush. This issue is not about politics, and I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Bush's administration stated that even though the IPCC said there is more than 90% certainty humans are causing global warming they will not change their policies because that would be detrimental to the American economy. OH MY GOD!!!!! I am completely blown away by this statement, and I am directly responsible for putting this man into power originally. What is even worse, I helped put him in power over a person who has dedicated his life to trying to better our children's futures. I am, in many ways, a very conservative person, and I believe what Bush is doing is completely wrong and absolutely immoral. I believe Bush is making his decisions based on his religious beliefs. I think he believes the end times are soon, Christ is coming, and so there is no need to worry about the state of the planet. I make this statement based on direct statements made by Bush and his administration. How is Bush's decision any different than those made by Hitler. I honestly believe Hitler thought he was making decisions based on what was "best" for the German people. I know these are very strong statements, and they are not aimed at anyone's religious or political beliefs. They are aimed at the "arrogance" of a leader who is willing to jeopardize the world population in order to assure his government's overriding power. That is what the strength of the American economy provides when it boils down to it. I am a deeply spiritual person, but I would never allow my spiritual beliefs to affect others in such a negative way. This probably sounds like an alarmist thing to say, and it is. I freely admit it, "I am now alarmed".
I would like to also state that I have just instated a new policy for D&A Maintenance. If a customer purchases a tree and plants it, they can subtract the cost of that tree from their bill, provided they include a copy of the receipt for the purchase of the tree. I am doing this to help offset the carbon dioxide emissions created in order to power the tools used by my business.
I would encourage other businesses to instate similar practices.
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We can't leave out the west coast for this past fall. The Atlantic coast did not see any storms because of upper level winds, but the pacific coast had a very unusual season. This is what NASA said in the beginning of the pacific season:
"The 2006 East Pacific hurricane season is now in full swing with 2 active storms in the heart of the season. The total number of named storms so far is near the climatological average and near the number from last year. Recently, Tropical Storm Kristy became the 11th named storm of the 2006 season. However, in terms of intense storms, this year's pace is well above normal and far outdistances the 2005 season. When Hurricane John reached Category 3 intensity on the 29th of August 2006, it became the 5th major hurricane of the season. There were only two major hurricanes in 2005 with four being the typical average for the entire season."
Type "pacific coast 2006 storms" into the google search bar and see the number of newspaper articles that describe the storms of the Pacific coast's 2006 hurricane season with words like "freakish".
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Averages:
The average seasonal activity in the East Pacific Basin is 16 named storms, 9 hurricanes and 4 major hurricanes.
2006 season summary:
Nineteen named storms formed in the East Pacific Hurricane basin during the 2006 season, which is above average. Eleven of these storms were classified as hurricanes and 6 storms were major hurricanes (category 3-5 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale). Perhaps the most notable hurricane of the season was Ioke, which became a category 5 hurricane on August 26th. Ioke crossed the International Date Line into the western Pacific, the first category 5 storm to do this since 1994. Super Typhoon Ioke continued on a westerly track before weakening. For more information on Ioke, see the August summary below.
Three tropical storms made landfall in Mexico during the 2006 season. John was a category 2 storm when it came ashore near the southern tip of the Baja Peninsula in August. Hurricane Lane was the strongest storm to make landfall in the East Pacific during the 2006 season. This storm was a category 3 when it hit land in the Sinaloa State of Mexico in mid-September. Hurricane John came ashore as a tropical depression in October also in Sinaloa.
In November, Tropical Storm Rosa and Hurricane Sergio formed: the first time since the 1961 season two named storms formed in November in the East North Pacific basin. Sergio strengthened into a strong category 2 storm and became the strongest hurricane to form or exist in this basin during the month of November. For additional information on these and all the 2006 season storms, see the summaries below.
More statistical information may be found on NCDC's 2006 Northeast Pacific Tropical Cyclone statistics page.
We mustn't forget Global Warming is a "Global" phenomenon, so we have to look at the entire planet when determining whether things are steadily getting worse.
TripleB please, please, please watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and then come back to this thread. I ask this in all sincerity. The film addresses all of your points. It talks about how Global Warming affects pockets of the planet at different times. One area of the planet may be experiencing the worst floods ever, while their neighbor less than 100 miles away will be experiencing their worst drought ever. I know you have mentioned all the unusual snow fall out west as a indicator that Global Warming may not be as bad as everyone is saying, but on the contrary it is saying the exact opposite. I honestly believe that if you watch the film you may begin to see things differently not because you have been duped by hollywood, but rather because you will see all the discussions from all sides together in one comprehensive overview.
The average seasonal activity in the East Pacific Basin is 16 named storms, 9 hurricanes and 4 major hurricanes.
2006 season summary:
Nineteen named storms formed in the East Pacific Hurricane basin during the 2006 season, which is above average. Eleven of these storms were classified as hurricanes and 6 storms were major hurricanes (category 3-5 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale). Perhaps the most notable hurricane of the season was Ioke, which became a category 5 hurricane on August 26th. Ioke crossed the International Date Line into the western Pacific, the first category 5 storm to do this since 1994. Super Typhoon Ioke continued on a westerly track before weakening. For more information on Ioke, see the August summary below.
Three tropical storms made landfall in Mexico during the 2006 season. John was a category 2 storm when it came ashore near the southern tip of the Baja Peninsula in August. Hurricane Lane was the strongest storm to make landfall in the East Pacific during the 2006 season. This storm was a category 3 when it hit land in the Sinaloa State of Mexico in mid-September. Hurricane John came ashore as a tropical depression in October also in Sinaloa.
In November, Tropical Storm Rosa and Hurricane Sergio formed: the first time since the 1961 season two named storms formed in November in the East North Pacific basin. Sergio strengthened into a strong category 2 storm and became the strongest hurricane to form or exist in this basin during the month of November. For additional information on these and all the 2006 season storms, see the summaries below.
More statistical information may be found on NCDC's 2006 Northeast Pacific Tropical Cyclone statistics page.
We mustn't forget Global Warming is a "Global" phenomenon, so we have to look at the entire planet when determining whether things are steadily getting worse.
TripleB please, please, please watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and then come back to this thread. I ask this in all sincerity. The film addresses all of your points. It talks about how Global Warming affects pockets of the planet at different times. One area of the planet may be experiencing the worst floods ever, while their neighbor less than 100 miles away will be experiencing their worst drought ever. I know you have mentioned all the unusual snow fall out west as a indicator that Global Warming may not be as bad as everyone is saying, but on the contrary it is saying the exact opposite. I honestly believe that if you watch the film you may begin to see things differently not because you have been duped by hollywood, but rather because you will see all the discussions from all sides together in one comprehensive overview.
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Please allow me to clarify in further detail D&A Maintenance's new policy.
If a customer purchases a tree and plants it, they can subtract the cost of that tree from their bill, provided they include a copy of the receipt for the purchase of the tree. This is not a one time thing either. Customers can purchase one tree for every bill they receive. These trees must be planted in the ground and their cost can not exceed 1/4 the labor costs on bills $100 or less. If your bill is over $100 you can discuss with me what your options are. I am doing this to help offset the carbon dioxide emissions created by powering the tools used by my business. Remember, we come to your home to do the work so we will notice if you are planting trees. If you don't have room in your yard to plant new trees, include dated (by the camera) photographic proof of yourself planting the tree on your receipt and you will receive the same deal. This policy relies on the honor system and the integrity of my customers. Feel free to send pictures of the trees you plant or questions to azalace@earthlink.net. We may start a web site showing all the trees that have been planted. I would also like to encourage other businesses to take up similar practices.
If a customer purchases a tree and plants it, they can subtract the cost of that tree from their bill, provided they include a copy of the receipt for the purchase of the tree. This is not a one time thing either. Customers can purchase one tree for every bill they receive. These trees must be planted in the ground and their cost can not exceed 1/4 the labor costs on bills $100 or less. If your bill is over $100 you can discuss with me what your options are. I am doing this to help offset the carbon dioxide emissions created by powering the tools used by my business. Remember, we come to your home to do the work so we will notice if you are planting trees. If you don't have room in your yard to plant new trees, include dated (by the camera) photographic proof of yourself planting the tree on your receipt and you will receive the same deal. This policy relies on the honor system and the integrity of my customers. Feel free to send pictures of the trees you plant or questions to azalace@earthlink.net. We may start a web site showing all the trees that have been planted. I would also like to encourage other businesses to take up similar practices.
Jennifer Steele
Beach Fanatic
For Triple B & others who have not seen the movie yet...
There will be a showing of AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH on Wednesday, Feb. 21 at 7pm in the meeting hall theatre as part of the Independent Film Series.
Another group is showing it in March at the South Walton library, I think. I'll find out the details and post later.
There will be a showing of AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH on Wednesday, Feb. 21 at 7pm in the meeting hall theatre as part of the Independent Film Series.
Another group is showing it in March at the South Walton library, I think. I'll find out the details and post later.