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Don't Pump Gas On May 15th!

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Skunky, what is surprising about a difficult to read at a glance (not using %s) pie chart, breaking down cost when they don't also show the final sales price on that gasoline? Cost mean nothing outside of their relationship to sales price, which show profit margin. The chart also fails to have a legend noting the date of the study of these costs. If the costs are $1.999 per gallon, it will make a lot of difference if the sales price of that gallon is $3.799 vs $5.799

It is an imperfect chart, but the pie demonstrates that there is a whole lot of cash you part with at the pump that goes to interests other than petroleum companies. Ergo, a gasoline boycott held to 'teach big oil a lesson' is a frivolous exercise.
 
Bikes are much worse for the environment than SUVs. You might as well ride wearing a mink coat, eating a baby seal sandwich.
 
Ok, I'll bite.

Huh? :idontno:


It takes far more energy to power a bike than it does an SUV, as food is not an efficient energy source compared to oil, and as humans are not near as efficient as combustible engines. Plus, the exercise from bike riding prolongs the cyclist's life, which leads to more energy consumption. And don't get me started on bike trails, and the impact they have on the surroundings. Obviously, Smiling Joe and other cyclists hate The Children and are not worried about the environment that we hand over to Them.
 
Here is something from The Marshall Institute.

"Now, back to the biker and the SUV. And let?s start with the very worst of the SUV. With a single occupant, the SUV is moving 30 times its weight in useful payload. And it?s all dead weight; wasted weight; 3,000 pounds or more, moved for no "good" reason at all. So that?s a factor of 30 worse than the bike right there -- we?ll assume you have a weightless bike, so you?re just moving the payload of your own weight. The SUV also needs, say, ten times the width of roadway, right? All that useless junk needs a lot more space to barrel down the ribbon of highway. So now we?re at a factor of 300-times worse for the SUV. From the get-go, a 300-fold penalty. And that?s where ordinary intuition always leaves it.

But let?s finish the calculation. A car engine (including the refining and distribution systems behind it) is about twice as efficient in converting crude oil to locomotion as the grain-bread-muscle systems are in converting the energy in food to locomotion. So the SUV regains a factor of two or so there. It can pick up more than that if the biker eats a lot of meat, because he?s wasting a lot of land for all those cows. So maybe the SUV can get back a factor of ten so on the fuel cycle. Still, that doesn?t begin to close a 300-fold gap.

But what completely eclipses everything else is simply this -- at the source, crude oil is at least 1,000 times more frugal than growing grain, in terms of land consumed to extract and deliver energy. For obvious reasons: you make a very little hole in the earth; you extract a lot of energy. The biker, by contrast, is fueled too -- by granola, one presumes. It takes a lot of field to grow the granola to move a useful pound of biker payload down the road. Bottom-line: per mile, and per useful pound moved, drilling for oil and building an SUV-grade highway system uses ten times less land than growing food to fuel the bicyclist.

To repeat: I?m not endorsing SUVs -- for the most part they?re profligate and wasteful and certainly not to my green taste. But I do think that unless you do the numbers and follow their implications through to their logical limits, you aren?t thinking rationally about such issues at all.

A sanity check: as late as 1910, almost a third of all U.S. farmland was still devoted to feeding horses. Horses were the "organic" transportation system of that day. Feeding that organic transportation system required twice the land used today by all our roads and highways, oil pipelines, refineries, and wells.

Impossible though these numbers may sound to many right-thinking Greens, they are easy to verify. They are, in fact, obvious once one gets used to seeing plants, cows and bikers for what they are: land-hungry, territory-expanding, surface-dwelling automatons, which are optimized for survival and reproduction, not for locomotion. To be sure, a bike or a horse looks incomparably greener than an SUV or eighteen-wheel truck, but only because we so easily overlook such things as corn field and pasture and the rest of the energy cycle."
 
Interesting. I'll have to run this by my Ph.D in engineering (and the smartest person I've ever known, who BTW is getting patents by the boatload lately) husband.
 
6th Gen, the marshall report doesn't take into account that the avg suv which people have here at the beach, weighs over 6,000 lbs. also, it doesn't include the environmental impacts on the mining of aluminum and steel, and the making of plastics and rubber for the parts of the suv's as compared to the bicycles. nor does it take into account the comparison of the manufactoring and transportation costs between the two, and the trasportation costs and environmental impacts for delivering fuel to the gas stations, and the electricity burned to keep gas stations open 24-7. also, there are many health benefits to riding a bicycle on a daily basis, which you don't have by driving a suv. you can save that extra costs of joining a gym and reading books about losing weight, and jenny craig meals, etc. if you have to ride a bike to work, you will not be wanting to carry any extra weight. being in better health will also save the public much money when it comes to the costs of health care. the marshall report if more filled with holes than swiss cheese. I almost forgot to mention that most americans are overweight, and we would not have to consume any more food to ride a bicycle instead of driving a suv. we might even buy less of the useless consumer junk if we had to carry it back home on our bicycles.
 
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