Just dont know what to say..........

[seacrestkristi]

They do? Does it mention God too? How does it go?

 

[NoHall]

Amen to that.;-)

We encourage our kids to say the Pledge, and we say it ourselves, but we don't believe that it should be a mandatory requirement for all people in the U.S. Remember, there are many U.S. citizens that are not Christian.

We don't have a national religion. Where does it say that to be a US citizen, you have to be Christian?

I'm a Christian, and I don't think that the "under God" part is right. I'm an individual under God, which has nothing to do for my allegiance to the republic for which the flag stands.

But that republic was founded on freedom of religion (among other things,) not freedom from religion. I don't agree in removing religion from school--any religion, even the ones that say there is no god.

The more the government meddles, the more I would like to see education privatized. The tug-of-war is driving me up the wall.

 

[Rita]

They do? Does it mention God too? How does it go?

Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. (or something very close to that) It was changed a bit this year.

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[Mango]

No where in the Pledge does it say "Christian God". A majority of religions believe in some kind of "God", and almost 90% of our country have some form of religious affiliation, so what's the big deal here.

"Boulder High has a highly diverse population, not all of whom believe in God, or one God," said Emma Martens, a senior and president of the club, which has about a dozen members."

If you're an atheist, then you can believe that this is one nation under you're own power (since in essence they believe they are the "god" of themselves) and if you're a polytheist, pick a God when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

I think the Pledge of Allegiance should be recited. Not necessarily everyday, but it should be in schools as a reminder of what the basic underlying principles of what this country was founded on and a respect for the flag and the people who died protecting our liberties.

If you don't want to recite the portion "One nation, under God", the beauty of living in this country is you don't have to utter that portion.

Walking out of the classroom during the Pledge is childish, and the Pledge the Boulder kids want to recite seems rather ridiculous, not to mention that perhaps instead of spending so much time on this issue, go back and take basic grammer lessons..........

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, part of one planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all."

Part of one planet?

Maybe they should send these kids to some countries where political and religious rights are repressed, do an exchange with youth their age trying desperately to come to this country to experience the liberties they have.

I am betting the exchange students would take great pride in reciting the pledge exactly the way it is now.

 

[Biff]

.....Well stated...... The more involved Gov. becomes.............. I believe more and more will lean towards privatization........

I'm a Christian, and I don't think that the "under God" part is right. I'm an individual under God, which has nothing to do for my allegiance to the republic for which the flag stands.

But that republic was founded on freedom of religion (among other things,) not freedom from religion. I don't agree in removing religion from school--any religion, even the ones that say there is no god.

The more the government meddles, the more I would like to see education privatized. The tug-of-war is driving me up the wall.

 

[Teresa]

I'm a Christian, and I don't think that the "under God" part is right. I'm an individual under God, which has nothing to do for my allegiance to the republic for which the flag stands.

But that republic was founded on freedom of religion (among other things,) not freedom from religion. I don't agree in removing religion from school--any religion, even the ones that say there is no god.

The more the government meddles, the more I would like to see education privatized. The tug-of-war is driving me up the wall.

you are so right. the government meddles because society and/or parents are pushing for this and that. lord help if we try to change anything to make it fair for everyone. we certainly should teach about religions if we intend for our children to have a good knowledge of their world. even educational discussion on personal religion and God is healthy in a well rounded educational environment. but actual recitation of anything religious can be done at home, with family, in their chosen community organizations, etc. why would prayer or a pledge referring to God belong in school? the pledge was changed to insert God (by a religious group). if the pledge is so important to have in school, why can't it be changed back to its original or modified version?

 

[Teresa]

But remember, it is our differences that make us special. ;-)

Actually, the key here is really not religion. It is about excluding another group of people, thinking that the group being excluded are "lesser" people, which makes the ones doing the excluding feel powerful and big. I don't think Jesus had any of this sheeit in mind when he was telling people to love their neighbor!

very well stated jdarg. and I agree that student diversity that often comes with public schools (even in sowal) is a wonderful thing. I think children find that they are much more alike than not, though their situations may differ greatly. education in a diverse setting is part of learning about community, people, society, life, etc. I do look forward to this part. It's a certain type of parent and/or educator I don't look forward to knowing, the ones who expect faith-based values and beliefs to be reflected in curriculum, those who use the bible to argue against curriculum content (science, sex ed) or a school sponsored event, etc. I would rather not have to deal with controversial religious-based school issues. It's all part of the experience of diversity I suppose.

 

[Jdarg]

very well stated jdarg. and I agree that student diversity that often comes with public schools (even in sowal) is a wonderful thing. I think children find that they are much more alike than not, though their situations may differ greatly. education in a diverse setting is part of learning about community, people, society, life, etc. I do look forward to this part. It's a certain type of parent and/or educator I don't look forward to knowing, the ones who expect faith-based values and beliefs to be reflected in curriculum, those who use the bible to argue against curriculum content (science, sex ed) or a school sponsored event, etc. I would rather not have to deal with controversial religious-based school issues. It's all part of the experience of diversity I suppose.

Sadly, we are dealing with this now at the high school. The play chosen for the drama class has been pulled for "review", since somebody somewhere had a problem with the seance scene and ghosts.:roll: Now the play will go through a faculty review, then to the superintendent. I am fairly that the play will be approved, but not in time for the kids to rehearse and prepare.

I definitely do not enjoy this part of public school. I don't think it is just a public school phenomenon though- you will always have parents that will only see the small picture (what they want for their child only) and not see the big picture.

Sometimes I think that a Christian school would go over big time around here.

 

[Rudyjohn]

Sadly, we are dealing with this now at the high school. The play chosen for the drama class has been pulled for "review", since somebody somewhere had a problem with the seance scene and ghosts.:roll: Now the play will go through a faculty review, then to the superintendent. I am fairly that the play will be approved, but not in time for the kids to rehearse and prepare.

I definitely do not enjoy this part of public school. I don't think it is just a public school phenomenon though- you will always have parents that will only see the small picture (what they want for their child only) and not see the big picture.

Sometimes I think that a Christian school would go over big time around here.

I swear, it just never ends, does it.

Speaking for myself, I have to watch everything I say or it's offensive to someone somewhere. I volunteer for a very large and inclusive Methodist church. We are so careful of pizzing somebody off in our PR material, but it still happens no matter what. I get sick of it. If everything is dissected, then yes, there's always something offensive.

 

[Teresa]

Sadly, we are dealing with this now at the high school. The play chosen for the drama class has been pulled for "review", since somebody somewhere had a problem with the seance scene and ghosts.:roll: Now the play will go through a faculty review, then to the superintendent. I am fairly that the play will be approved, but not in time for the kids to rehearse and prepare.

I definitely do not enjoy this part of public school. I don't think it is just a public school phenomenon though- you will always have parents that will only see the small picture (what they want for their child only) and not see the big picture.

Sometimes I think that a Christian school would go over big time around here.

no its not just public school, but private schools can tell the parent to take it or leave it, and the parents have the option to leave the school to find a more "appropriate" setting for their child. I've seen this in our little school. only once though - when one family had a problem with several issues (all bible-based complaints/arguments). As it turned out, that family really did not belong in the montessori education program - when they realized this they moved on - but they did learn a few things, including that halloween wasn't evil and so now their family participates in halloween within the community every year. typically, parents do their homework before paying for private school, and they know if the environment/curriculum/etc is appropriate for their child and family.

I do wish St Rita had a school from elementary thru highschool. I would sign up today. I can deal with religion in the school when its meant to be there.