Looks like I was wrong

[6thGen]

as I'm happy to admit when I actually am. Olmert might not be toast thanks to a recent appointment, and it appears that Likud beginning to show fissure. Also, it is not mentioned in this article, but look for Israel to make an announcement towards the end of the year that will greatly affect their neighbors attitudes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200705/avigdor-lieberman

Since you have to subscribe, and I am sure many of you do not, I'll put up a little bit.

On the small stage of Israeli politics, Avigdor Lieberman is a suddenly large figure. Little more than a year ago, he was the leader of a splinter party of the radical right, excoriated for advocating a program that would disenfranchise and even expel Israel?s Arab citizens. But in an electoral earthquake last March, as Israel?s ruling parties crumbled, Lieberman?s Yisrael Beitenu (?Israel Is Our Home?) received nearly a tenth of the national vote?a virtual tie with Likud, the party of the respectable right. Lieberman has since joined Prime Minister Ehud Olmert?s ruling coalition as minister for strategic affairs.

On paper at least, Lieberman is responsible for coordinating Israel?s response to threats including the Iranian nuclear program and Hezbollah, Iran?s ally in Lebanon. Iran?its nuclear program, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?s insistence that Israel will cease to exist, his denial of the Holocaust?features daily on Israel?s front pages. The failure last summer to disarm Hezbollah amplified the public panic. One poll conducted several months after last summer?s war with Lebanon showed that 66 percent of Israelis believed that if Iran got the bomb, it would try to destroy Israel. Lieberman?s newly created post might better be labeled ?minister for national fears.?

Olmert and the centrist Kadima movement were casualties of the war in Lebanon last summer. To bolster support in parliament, the prime minister had to offer Lieberman influence over decisions that could shape, and shake, the Middle East. Simply by granting him a ministerial position, Olmert gave legitimacy to hard-line views on internal issues. In December, addressing a convention of his Yisrael Beitenu, Lieberman declared that his goal was ?to be the ruling party? within two elections. When aristocracies fade, a pariah may reign.

 

[2bfabian]

I just wonder how greatful they are for helping us into this war

 

[2bfabian]

I realize you :roll: probably think us all a bunch of troglodytes but what gives?

 

[2bfabian]

I'm a wondering if your one of them there fellers with 4 names? Come on Mr. Gin and tonic don't let me think I've got the better of you. :funn:

 

[2bfabian]

:roll: Mr. Gin and tonic are you a dranker? I knows you is gotz ta be a dranker. Help me understand why we are not as intellectually gifted as yourself. There is nothing that you could bring to the table that can not be picked up on the INTERNET in 2 min. I still want to know how you can dissmiss 3 trillion dollars as to no influence of the economy going into a buying frenzy.

I don't claim to be an economist but I see the fall out of people who have went and taken out elc on there homes and thats why bankruptsy are up an in time this Banking thing is going to effect those there companies you were so proud to display.

 

[2bfabian]

Come on out and talk to me little feller. Your words have caused great distress on me large foot .

 

[2bfabian]

There you are,holding the party line for men who would not let you into there front door. Well,they may let you in but only to go out and make there talking points for them. People have a problem with ignoring minimizing and marginalizing the truth. You are so quick to give your support to a bunch of bone heads yet knowing inside that something just does not smell right. I would welcome any debate on this subject with you not be cause I know more than you thats evident,I don't and I realize that I'm not stupid. No,I would win because I am on the right side of the argument. The only argument you have is misdirection thats it, but focus on the question did we need to go to Iraq to get that SOB bin laudan. The answer Will be bore out in history long after you and I are gone will be No. However unfortunate for those who gave all believing in our leaders. What shame can a man have before he admits his mistake.

 

[mf]

it's rather shocking to see how ignorant most americans are about israel and its politics. they are nothing, if not tolerant and peaceful.

despite the fact that they withdrew from gaza tearing thousands of israelis from their generational homes and farms, palestinians continue to bomb schools and playgrounds in neighboring israel town sderot.

why don't we ever hear about this in the western news? there seems to be this concept that israeli lives - even children's- are not relevant. that same perspective held true when lebanon attacked isreal without warning directly bombing the children's hospital in safed.

where was the international outcry then? for that matter, where was the international reporting! while isreal is grateful for our support, we should be more grateful for a lone ally that is the only democratic nation in the region and the only country in the world that pays back any financial support given to them by the west on time and with interest.

yes, there are radicals on the right and the left in israel. but unlike us. israel has done a wonderful job of giving voice to the smallest minority without allowing them to hijack the government.

 

[2bfabian]

In an effort to learn I would ask you is it also your opinion that might makes right. yes it is my belief that Jewish people have endured some of the cruelest things imaginable. But do you believe that reparations are not in order for this thing to ever go away. And yes there was a Holocaust but certainly you don't believe that the jewish people were the only genocide of the 20th century. What about the Armenians. Should we also give them back turkey. In order to stop this killing all must admit there has been wrong doing on all sides. Failure to understand your enemy is the first way to fail.

 

[6thGen]

Do you realize you have six unrequited replies on this thread alone? And how many times on other threads? I'd love to stay and play on the internet all day, but I'm rather booked up right now. I hosted a dinner party Friday night and was messing with Walking Horses most of Saturday, but I see you spent the vast majority of your weekend trying to figure me out. Sheesh. Step away from the computer every once in a while. It is good for the soul.