traderx
Beach Fanatic
Yeah I'm the same way. Drugs really affect me and caffiene is no exception. I bounce off the walls and you cannot shut me up. Normally I don't bounce off the walls. Now, liquor makes me stick to walls. Go figure.
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Never eat meat again.
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Yeah I'm the same way. Drugs really affect me and caffiene is no exception. I bounce off the walls and you cannot shut me up. Normally I don't bounce off the walls. Now, liquor makes me stick to walls. Go figure.
Gidget
Beach Fanatic
LOL that is me! Drugs of any kind - caffeine, alcohol, etc... I just do better personally without them. And YES no matter what Mayo Clinic says (a few post up), caffeine messes with my blood sugar no doubt. My sister, who is type 2 diabetic, claims it messes with hers if she has too much. I guess the best thing is to find what works for our own bodies.
LOVE your avatar btw.
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Gidget
Beach Fanatic
scooterbug44
SoWal Expert
It's not really that entertaining - I just go at hyper speed.
I had an XL from Amavida one day and SWGB's comment was "if I didn't know better I'd think you were coked up!"
I had an XL from Amavida one day and SWGB's comment was "if I didn't know better I'd think you were coked up!"
Gidget
Beach Fanatic
Back once again to why TCline started this thread. ANIMAL SUFFERING.
As we ring in TWENTY TEN I like to think that this will be a new start for many when it comes to awareness of all suffering, be it the elderly, the young, the weak and yes animals.
You've probably heard of Jonathan Safran Foer right? He's a wonderful author of Everything is Illuminated and other great works. He's written a book called Eating Animals and for those interested in suffering and what we can do about it especially regarding factory farms. These farms weren't even here a few decades ago. We are breeding entirely new animals - their meat isn't even the same as what our parents were raised on. Not to mention the environmental aspect.
Please consider this book for a read to start the New Year. We wouldn't stand for our dogs and cats to be treated this way, and these animals deserve no less - especially since they give the ultimate for us - their lives.
Let me know if you read it.
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As we ring in TWENTY TEN I like to think that this will be a new start for many when it comes to awareness of all suffering, be it the elderly, the young, the weak and yes animals.
You've probably heard of Jonathan Safran Foer right? He's a wonderful author of Everything is Illuminated and other great works. He's written a book called Eating Animals and for those interested in suffering and what we can do about it especially regarding factory farms. These farms weren't even here a few decades ago. We are breeding entirely new animals - their meat isn't even the same as what our parents were raised on. Not to mention the environmental aspect.
Please consider this book for a read to start the New Year. We wouldn't stand for our dogs and cats to be treated this way, and these animals deserve no less - especially since they give the ultimate for us - their lives.
Let me know if you read it.
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Teresa Cline
Beach Fanatic
I am adding it to my New Years reading list...
thank you Gidget for suggesting.
and thank you for stating the truth about why I started this thread.
I am not against eating meat....just against such inhumane treatment of the animals and really bothered by how many people do not know how horribly these animals live and die for us.
I just want consumers to KNOW
what they are eating. Sharing information about what the corporations/factory farms are selling us is vital to protecting our children and our selves.
you are right about the meat products and many other products NOT BEING THE SAME QUALITY as what our parents/grandparents consumed.
thank you Gidget for suggesting.
and thank you for stating the truth about why I started this thread.
I am not against eating meat....just against such inhumane treatment of the animals and really bothered by how many people do not know how horribly these animals live and die for us.
I just want consumers to KNOW
what they are eating. Sharing information about what the corporations/factory farms are selling us is vital to protecting our children and our selves.
you are right about the meat products and many other products NOT BEING THE SAME QUALITY as what our parents/grandparents consumed.
LuciferSam
Banned
I'm not going to stop eating meat today or tomorrow, but there are some disturbing aspects to even the humane killing of higher life forms. What I'm getting at is what sort of bonding occurs among the animals that we eat? I know full well that some of our pets in multiple-pet households would sense the loss of another animal in the group. So what about cows, pigs, and other mammals? Do they miss one of their own after they are taken off for slaughter? I can only imagine that for lower life forms like fish this is probably not the case.
backdoornews
Beach Comber
What you eat is important,
But what our food eats is also important. I would love to see Monsanto out of business tomorrow but somehow I just don't see this happening. The sad truth is, we are being bombarded with foods that would frighten Frankenstein.
Limiting you caffeine is a good idea, but you may also want to look at Aspartame. There have been some studies that would concern most rational people on the effects of aspartame on the brain.
But what our food eats is also important. I would love to see Monsanto out of business tomorrow but somehow I just don't see this happening. The sad truth is, we are being bombarded with foods that would frighten Frankenstein.
Limiting you caffeine is a good idea, but you may also want to look at Aspartame. There have been some studies that would concern most rational people on the effects of aspartame on the brain.
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Gidget
Beach Fanatic
Good point about animals sensing a loss when one is gone. Just imagine replacing all the pigs or chickens with dogs and you really begin to get a sense of the injustice.
More from his book and TCline, I'll gladly let you borrow my copy - I'm almost done.
As Foer points out, the most appalling aspect of the industrial meat industry is not the more sensational, flagrant animal abuse that's been captured on undercover videos, but rather the chronic, systematic disregard for the fact that animals are living, breathing creatures not intended to be stacked like pallets or made to steep in their own waste on concrete.
Industrial agriculture has done its best to bend these poor creatures to its will, modifying them to better tolerate this style of farming. In so doing, it has created genetic freaks like pigs who can't survive outdoors and turkeys who can't reproduce naturally and have to be artificially inseminated. Can anything truly healthy come from a system where disease, deformity, and environmental degradation are the default?
Foer's intent with Eating Animals is clearly to start a conversation about whether it's necessary, or justifiable, or ethical, to eat animals. He writes favorably of the farmers who rely on more humane and ecologically sound methods of meat production but concludes that, although these operations are infinitely preferable to their factory farm counterparts, some suffering is inevitably inflicted on the animals.
And the fact remains that this kind of pasture-based farming comprises such a tiny fraction of meat production in the U.S. that it's not a viable alternative for most folks. As Foer writes:
He answered:
On the other hand, a friend had us over for lunch the other day and served a roasted chicken from a local farm. Another couple invited us for dinner and made a stew with beef and lamb from a butcher who sells only local, grass-fed meats. These are all friends who formerly bought their meats at the supermarket; their choices were a direct result of the many conversations we've had about this subject.
This is how a sea change starts, with a few tiny ripples.
BTW, I wouldn't touch aspartame! ;-)
I am SOOOOO happy that people are willing to discuss this. And the animals thank you too.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU7_Ar9C_iI"]YouTube- Pet Star: Smart Pig[/ame]
More from his book and TCline, I'll gladly let you borrow my copy - I'm almost done.
As Foer points out, the most appalling aspect of the industrial meat industry is not the more sensational, flagrant animal abuse that's been captured on undercover videos, but rather the chronic, systematic disregard for the fact that animals are living, breathing creatures not intended to be stacked like pallets or made to steep in their own waste on concrete.
Industrial agriculture has done its best to bend these poor creatures to its will, modifying them to better tolerate this style of farming. In so doing, it has created genetic freaks like pigs who can't survive outdoors and turkeys who can't reproduce naturally and have to be artificially inseminated. Can anything truly healthy come from a system where disease, deformity, and environmental degradation are the default?
Foer's intent with Eating Animals is clearly to start a conversation about whether it's necessary, or justifiable, or ethical, to eat animals. He writes favorably of the farmers who rely on more humane and ecologically sound methods of meat production but concludes that, although these operations are infinitely preferable to their factory farm counterparts, some suffering is inevitably inflicted on the animals.
And the fact remains that this kind of pasture-based farming comprises such a tiny fraction of meat production in the U.S. that it's not a viable alternative for most folks. As Foer writes:
We shouldn't kid ourselves about the number of ethical eating options available to most of us. There isn't enough nonfactory chicken produced in America to feed the population of Staten Island and not enough nonfactory pork to serve New York City, let alone the country. Ethical meat is a promissory note, not a reality. Any ethical-meat advocate who is serious is going to be eating a lot of vegetarian fare.
Ellen Degeneres noted that some folks will surely feel overwhelmed by the suggestion that they should abandon the cheap meat, dairy, eggs and poultry they count on to feed their families. "How do we take one little step?" she asked Foer.
He answered:
"There is nothing more powerful than an informed conversation, so get informed..talk, talk, talk. Talk about it with your family, don't take these things for granted, don't let corporations lie to you, act on your values."
I sometimes worry about being a "carnibore," as the Ethicurean's ever witty Bonnie Powell describes those of us who are only too happy to hector our friends on the merits of pastured meats versus factory farmed.On the other hand, a friend had us over for lunch the other day and served a roasted chicken from a local farm. Another couple invited us for dinner and made a stew with beef and lamb from a butcher who sells only local, grass-fed meats. These are all friends who formerly bought their meats at the supermarket; their choices were a direct result of the many conversations we've had about this subject.
This is how a sea change starts, with a few tiny ripples.
BTW, I wouldn't touch aspartame! ;-)
I am SOOOOO happy that people are willing to discuss this. And the animals thank you too.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU7_Ar9C_iI"]YouTube- Pet Star: Smart Pig[/ame]
scooterbug44
SoWal Expert
Wild game is a great way to get food that is free range/organic/free from antibiotics and additives.
In any given year 5-10% of our meat is something Papa Scooterbug, Scooterbro, or one of their hunting companions shot.
Elk, venison, turkey, and pheasant are yummy and healthy.
In any given year 5-10% of our meat is something Papa Scooterbug, Scooterbro, or one of their hunting companions shot.
Elk, venison, turkey, and pheasant are yummy and healthy.