Saddleback Forum

[Jdarg]

We also have a history of poor voter turnout in mildly inclement weather.

Obviously people need to put forth an effort to vote, and it's not as blatant as a literacy test, but I could see locating the polls in a religious building as a way to discourage a certain segment of the population from voting and/or influence a vote.

From what I have seen and heard in our area, voting at church may actually get more people out than not.;-)

I voted early- didn't want to spend more time at my polling place than absolutely necessary.

 

[Lane Rees]

No cat on my tongue, just a bad taste. I think the answer to why the Dems just didn't jump on this thread and engage with you can be found in these 2 posts!!

Here's my take- if you are McCain supporter, you thought McCain rocked.

If you are an Obama supporter, you thought he was fantastic. Obama answered the questions exactly the way I hoped he would.

Duh.

Don't think we are going to find anyone on this forum thinking that their candidate did not do well.:roll: I need to go back and look at their outfits- maybe I can find something interesting in what they were wearing, since this Saddleback forum was completely predictable in the questions and responses from both candidates.

You are right on target! From watching many debates and forums, you like the ones you liked when you walked in the door. Guess when there are a lot of undecided folks, they can share OBJECTIVELY who did the best.

 

[Jdarg]

You are right on target! From watching many debates and forums, you like the ones you liked when you walked in the door. Guess when there are a lot of undecided folks, they can share OBJECTIVELY who did the best.

I owe ya a coffee for such wise words!

 

[30A Skunkape]

Suddenly the right's tongue is in the possession of Felis catus.

 

[Jdarg]

Suddenly the right's tongue is in the possession of Felis catus.

Now now. Don't go causing trouble.

 

[30A Skunkape]

Now now. Don't go causing trouble.

:roll:

 

[30A Skunkape]

Now now. Don't go causing trouble.

What, I mean if the right is comfy with a bunch of Wiccans occupying the executive, legislative and judicial branches, I guess I understand the shush but I thought they had more spunk than that?!

tap-tap-tap

 

[Jdarg]

What, I mean if the right is comfy with a bunch of Wiccans occupying the executive, legislative and judicial branches, I guess I understand the shush but I thought they had more spunk than that?!

tap-tap-tap

Let me add a unicorn made of glass to my list of detested things.

 

[Geo]

Ahh, you and Geo are too concerned with this. I don't think any particular faith's agenda was pushed, and tickets were distributed equally among both campaigns. I think an exchange of ideas is great on any stage, be it in a church, an arena that sports the name of a beer brand or wherever.

Punzy and I used to vote at St Francis Xavier in New Orleans and the machines were under the watchful eye of the good Saint's image on the wall...never felt like that swayed my vote at all.

I'm not concerned that the Evangelical agenda was pushed or that the crowd was filled with too many McCain sympathizers. I am concerned that churches are too influencial in this country and I personally do not want my elected officials making policy decisons based on the teachings of their chosen religion...

 

[idlewind]

I believe in separation of church and state...

But that is not what I see at all when the two final candidates for POTUS meet for the first real forum of the election on stage in a church with an evangelical pastor grilling them...

This country is so immersed in religion that its citizens see nothing odd about what occurred the other night. But yet many of these same citizens would use words like extremism or fanaticism if they saw leaders of another country sitting on stage in a mosque with a leading cleric (or pastor equivelent)...

I don't dispute that the assembly was protected by the constitution. I wouldn't want it any other way. I just find it scary that the church is so powerful that it can get such a billing...

BTW- I don't get why my usage of the word pervasive brings Walmart or liquor stores to mind but just in case I have misunderstood the word all these years (and to give you the benefit of the doubt) I looked it up...

per-va-sive
spread throughout all parts of; present throughout something

Perhaps you have not read the musings of our Founding Fathers:

The Mayflower Compact (authored by William Bradford) 1620 | Signing of the Mayflower painting | Picture of Compact
?Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together??

John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]
John Adams:
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798
Patrick Henry:

?It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.? [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

But to quote a few.