So who's everyone supporting for 2008?

[Cheering472]

Okay, here goes...if you didn't vote, don't complain, but between now and Nov. 2008, register to vote, then start reading about and questioning candidates. If you did vote, thank you. IMHO, it does no good to place blame on those who voted for Bush (me, included)...I did my homework and it was the lessor of two evils in my book. BTW...almost all the politicians I know of tell their audience just what they want to hear and spout "party lines". It's the candidates with the new, fresh ways of looking at things that are not going to make it through the primaries. Don't even get me started on the church/politics thing. Do we really have 16 months before the election?

Okay...tell me where I am wrong. I am all ears.

You speak with great wisdom ms kitty.

People, if you get nothing else out of this post, get this one thing...read, research, question and attempt to form your own opinion outside of voting the straight party ticket. They are all trying to fool you and sway your opinion, be informed.

 

[6thGen]

A few things - Cheering - you are wrong on Bush beating beatable. The dems put up Dukakis 04 and it was close. Rove is one of the most overrated political operatives of all time, and that's mostly due to Dems irrational hatred of Bush. They give Rove too much credit and take away too much from Bush and his supporters, or those like Miss Kitty who supported him because the alternative sucked. SJ already addressed my point that Dems pander to churches more than the GOP.

Kitty, the problem is too many people vote. Fogging a mirror (hey to Terri Schiavo) doesn't qualify one for making decisions. Unfortunately, as evidenced in this thread, the electorate is more interested in stupid reality shows than they are the future of this country.

One other thing - the power of the Presidency, while still very weighty, is also very overrated. That's by the Founders' design, which we believe (the Founders and I) was inspired by God.

 

[Cheering472]

A few things - Cheering - you are wrong on Bush beating beatable. The dems put up Dukakis 04 and it was close. Rove is one of the most overrated political operatives of all time, and that's mostly due to Dems irrational hatred of Bush. They give Rove too much credit and take away too much from Bush and his supporters, or those like Miss Kitty who supported him because the alternative sucked. SJ already addressed my point that Dems pander to churches more than the GOP.

Kitty, the problem is too many people vote. Fogging a mirror (hey to Terri Schiavo) doesn't qualify one for making decisions. Unfortunately, as evidenced in this thread, the electorate is more interested in stupid reality shows than they are the future of this country.

One other thing - the power of the Presidency, while still very weighty, is also very overrated. That's by the Founders' design, which we believe (the Founders and I) was inspired by God.

I didn't say that Bush was unbeatable. (Gore beat him after all) My comment addressed your assigning blame to the Dems for his getting elected this last time by not putting out a better candidate. What put him over the top in votes was the turn out for family values. It wasn't the Dems weak choice but Bush manipulating his base that got the turnout to put him over the top. I know Dems pander to churches, but they don't have influence over the religious right, Bush did. Reread the post.

Furthermore...
Are you kidding? The problem is that too many people vote??? Voter turnout is low considering our population. You brought this thread up as evidence that people are more interested in tv shows than the election. One of the people you are referencing to in this paragraph is Kitty's own sweet daughter, so please tread very carefully. You were able to bait her into this discussion and then draw her into a reality show post. By the way her daughter seems very excited about the upcoming election in her post prior to the one you reference. So I don't think that she is more interested in "stupid reality shows" than the election. She seems to be a very bright girl and able to make a decision while still watching TV. Maybe it comes from being open minded. Give it a try and have a nice day.

 

[Teresa]

Okay, here goes...if you didn't vote, don't complain, but between now and Nov. 2008, register to vote, then start reading about and questioning candidates. If you did vote, thank you. IMHO, it does no good to place blame on those who voted for Bush (me, included)...I did my homework and it was the lessor of two evils in my book. BTW...almost all the politicians I know of tell their audience just what they want to hear and spout "party lines". It's the candidates with the new, fresh ways of looking at things that are not going to make it through the primaries. Don't even get me started on the church/politics thing. Do we really have 16 months before the election?

Okay...tell me where I am wrong. I am all ears.

you are not wrong Ms Kitty. thanks for the good points here. cheering too! love hearing words of wisdom from you both.

 

[scooterbug44]

Awesome. So who do you think wins Rock of Love? I cannot believe they kicked off Tiffany. She totally made the show.

Is that supposed to be a slam on my intelligence because I don't approve of Senators & Congressmen spending their time stumping for office rather then doing their current jobs? Or because I would rather have FBI and Secret Service agents working on their jobs (antiterrorism, violent crimes etc.) instead of protecting a wide range of candidates years before an election?

 

[Smiling JOe]

By the way her daughter seems very excited about the upcoming election in her post prior to the one you reference. So I don't think that she is more interested in "stupid reality shows" than the election. She seems to be a very bright girl and able to make a decision while still watching TV. Maybe it comes from being open minded. Give it a try and have a nice day.

I would agree that the kitties likely have a smart daughter. That being said, how are any of us supposed to be able to make a wise decision regarding our political leaders, when all we hear and see are lies? Politics is all about winning, no matter the costs. Tomorrow's elected politicians are going to be the people who are most liked by the masses. It is easy for some people to put on a smile and lie through their teeth, and they don't think twice about doing so.

If you want to really learn about the candidates, I would suggest to listen to the press on both sides of the isle (eg -- CNN and Fox News, or Washington Post and the Washington Times). If you limit yourself to only the one-sided news sources, you will not be fully aware of questions you need to be asking.

 

[Teresa]

Well, what you see, isn't always what you get, even when you are looking at voting records. For example, many politicians voted for the "emergency war funding," which looks good for their record (shows that they support the troops), even though they say they are against the war. What they conveniently fail to tell us is that they voted for the "emergency war funding," not because it funded helped supply the troops with goods, but because the bill was filled with pork, which included millions of dollars of expenditures having nothing to do with the war -- money which went to their political causes, "taking care" of the people who put them in office.

What you see isn't always what you get. In fact, rarely do you get what you see, especially when it comes to the crooks in high-ranking elected offices.

SJ - I completely get what you are saying here. I guess I try not to think about the unethical behavior that is just so ingrained in our political system. But, we cannot ignore it and need to be far more aware.

 

[steele mama]

Okay, here goes...if you didn't vote, don't complain, but between now and Nov. 2008, register to vote, then start reading about and questioning candidates. If you did vote, thank you. IMHO, it does no good to place blame on those who voted for Bush (me, included)...I did my homework and it was the lessor of two evils in my book. BTW...almost all the politicians I know of tell their audience just what they want to hear and spout "party lines". It's the candidates with the new, fresh ways of looking at things that are not going to make it through the primaries. Don't even get me started on the church/politics thing. Do we really have 16 months before the election?

Okay...tell me where I am wrong. I am all ears.

Yea, what she said!

 

[BeachSiO2]

I have a question. With the abuse that politicians and the like get on a daily basis on both sides and some of which is deserved, are we surprised that the people running for office are sneaky, conniving, fueled by self-interest, and on and on...

As someone who knows people that have been elected to office and been government employees, I can tell you that I don't think the abuse is worth it to be a civil servant.

 

[Miss Kitty]

I have a question. With the abuse that politicians and the like get on a daily basis on both sides and some of which is deserved, are we surprised that the people running for office are sneaky, conniving, fueled by self-interest, and on and on...

As someone who knows people that have been elected to office and been government employees, I can tell you that I don't think the abuse is worth it to be a civil servant.

This is a very true statement. And just think of all your personal family business that becomes public fodder. How many Americans are squeaky clean, have enough $$$ and sense to run? Close your eyes and what do you see. That's why we get professonal politicians like Edwards (sorry, he is way too slick for me)....go ahead and add a slick Republican candidate in here_____, my mind is fried. Stop me...I am becoming cynical.