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[PoppaJ]

You don't have a leg to stand on with golf trips compared to all the money Obama and his wife wasted.

Over his eight years in office Judicial Watch, a tax-exempt conservative group, in 2017 said that its tally of Obama’s travel costs based on documents obtained through Freedom of Information Act lawsuits had hit $105.7 million. That total, though, appears to include official trips of Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama, as well as some campaign-related travel that was partially reimbursed by the Democratic Party.
In just two and a half years as of August 3, 2019 Trump has spent $110.3 million total just for travel to and from golf vacations. This does not include any official or campaign travel.
I stand firmly on two legs.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Oh jeez the Republican version of Godwin’s Law is to bring Obama into the conversation.​

I think you're going over his head with the reference to Godwin, but it's a great analogy.

 

[PoppaJ]

I think you're going over his head with the reference to Godwin, but it's a great analogy.

Let’s come up with a name. Sharpie’s Law? Donnie’s Law? Liar’s Law? 45’s Law?

 

[Lake View Too]

Light reading so you can sleep good tonite.

The White House would like you to abandon all common sense on 'locked and loaded' - CNNPolitics

 

[carson]

Here is your Godwin's Law. The law of Propaganda is a lie being told unwaveringly and repetitively will result in accepted truth originally exemplified by Josef Goebbels.

Watching a Trump campaign speech last night on a flight, he kept repeating complete inaccuracies about the wall being built in San Diego. The wall was slated for replacement since 2009 and funded by Congress in 2017. Trump's wall? He went on to say how the mayor of San Diego "flew to DC to thank him". Completely not true and the mayor was meeting with him because of Mexican sewage drifting into the bay. He repeated this probably five times. The Chinese have paid billions to the US in tariffs (Cheeto's favorite lie). US companies that import goods have paid billions, Americans are paying more for Chinese made products. Then he goes into how much the US farmers and ranchers support the China tarrifs. Everything that I have read, the farmers are losing their asses with flooding and tarrifs. I have seen the "we want free trade, not aid" tag line swirling around.

We signed a bill in 2016, Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act. I am not sure but I think it is time to add Homeland to the bill. Sad to think that if it was a foreign person or government using the same tactics as Trump that there is a law to try to protect us, but not so from our own government.

I won't even get started on the complete untruths about the wall "and the hundreds of miles that have been built"

Hey Godwin--gullible, quasi patriotic people being led by a person with obvious narcissistic personality disorder? We are page 169 or 170 of this thread...law proven.

 

[carson]

All of that to say that I still haven't seen any ideas from the Democrats, or candidates for that matter, that really shake the bushes. Not a Clinton or Obama among them. Front runners for change typically aren't septuagenarians.

Safe to say I think we will see this thread perpetuate for another six years.

 

[Lake View Too]

I can’t agree with your second post. I see the Democrats coming out for health care reform, financial systems reform, tax reform, climate change reforms, gun control, combatting Russian espionage, and changing the culture of corruption in Washington. You just ain’t paying attention. Will this hurt your pocket book? Some. Will this make us a better nation? Obviously. If you think going to war with Iran because Saudi Arabia says to, even though Obama helped make America the leading producer of oil in the world, you might be a Republican.

 

[carson]

I can’t agree with your second post. I see the Democrats coming out for health care reform, financial systems reform, tax reform, climate change reforms, gun control, combatting Russian espionage, and changing the culture of corruption in Washington. You just ain’t paying attention. Will this hurt your pocket book? Some. Will this make us a better nation? Obviously. If you think going to war with Iran because Saudi Arabia says to, even though Obama helped make America the leading producer of oil in the world, you might be a Republican.

I see a lot of opposite direction pendulum swings being proposed. Especially with corporate tax, healthcare and environmental. We need to get back to somewhere near the center first. Maybe it is Goldilocks thinking, but there is a range that is just right.

Where did moderates go? Apparently hiding somewhere with common sense and morals.

 

[PoppaJ]

All of that to say that I still haven't seen any ideas from the Democrats, or candidates for that matter, that really shake the bushes. Not a Clinton or Obama among them. Front runners for change typically aren't septuagenarians.

Safe to say I think we will see this thread perpetuate for another six years.

This is not an endorsement for any candidate, but go to their websites particularly Elizabeth Warren she has page after page of ideas and plans and none include a sharpie. The most obvious fact that the trumpanzees fail to see is that any of these candidates on their worst day is a better choice than the orange dumpster fire on his best day.

 

[Lake View Too]

The demise of the United States of America began with the invention of the remote control tv channel changer. We are all children who were born with a television screen in front of us. As the power of television has increased, our attention spans have dwindled. Would I ever read the entire Mueller Report? Never. Would I read any of Elizabeth Warren’s Plans. Nope. Would I switch to Netflix if Bernie started tapping on CNN. Most likely. Since our problems started getting evermore complex, our need for charismatic leaders has increased immensely. Since our reality seems to get tougher each day, our need for unreality increases. More Netflix, more THCXTCADSMDAPTSD, here we are now, entertain us. Trump is an entertainer. Don Rickles on crack. The deplorables think he is one of them, and anything that causes outrage in a Democrat is a wetdream to them.
No, the left doesn’t have a charismatic leader. The left have ideas that make this country better. The irony is that one of our best, Joe Biden, is having to compete, not against the other candidates, but against his former self. The others are all quite amazing smart people, but still young and unproven. But any one of them are better than anything the Republican Party has shown in the last 11 years.