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[Emerald Drifter]

Reality Winner was her name. All she did was leak a classified document about Russian interference in the 2016 election. Snowden likely leaked documents that put peoples lives at risk.

Can you post info on what she's doing five years for?

 

[Leader of the Banned]

No. Another quote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions". He released his files on September 17th. Know what day that is? Constitution Day. Snowden would never get a fair trial; you can bet your last cent on that.

You are way off thinking he wants to "garner sympathy". He saw how our own government had ignored the Constitution (4th Amendment), abandoned due process, and was spying on it's own citizens.

Senator Frank Church warned us back in 1975 that when the spy apparatus was turned inward toward Americans, we would not be a free society any longer.

And those aren't the words of a self-annointed martyr? Kay...

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Can you post info on what she's doing five years for?

All I've seen is that it was for a single count of leaking classified information. I assume it's the Russian election tampering reports. Apparently they were top secret. The case was never brought to trial as she plead guilty. Here's a link:

Top-Secret NSA Report Details Russian Hacking Effort Days Before 2016 Election

 

[PoppaJ]

A few quotes from Snowden:
"I would rather be without a state than without a voice"
"No system of mass surveillance has existed in any society that at this point has not been abused".
"Nothing is deleted".

I think every American citizen who treasures privacy and freedom, owes him greatly. What he has done is 100% heroic.

Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange. Susan Lindauer.

So are you saying whistleblowers are heroes or just those who do it outside of the proper protocols?

 

[PoppaJ]

No. Another quote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions". He released his files on September 17th. Know what day that is? Constitution Day. Snowden would never get a fair trial; you can bet your last cent on that.

You are way off thinking he wants to "garner sympathy". He saw how our own government had ignored the Constitution (4th Amendment), abandoned due process, and was spying on it's own citizens.

Senator Frank Church warned us back in 1975 that when the spy apparatus was turned inward toward Americans, we would not be a free society any longer.

Do you believe Winner and Manning are heroes and do you believe they received fair trials?

 

[Leader of the Banned]

As far as I can tell, Winner didn't reveal information that could put people's lives at risk. The same can't be said of Manning or Snowden.

 

[Lake View Too]

After hearing about prez meltdown and his junior high letter to Erdogan, I think somebody needs to think about that 18th? amendment where cabinet members can remove the psycho for being deranged. Anybody know if we have enough actual cabinet members to have a quorum?

 

[PoppaJ]

He was joking.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

After hearing about prez meltdown and his junior high letter to Erdogan, I think somebody needs to think about that 18th? amendment where cabinet members can remove the psycho for being deranged. Anybody know if we have enough actual cabinet members to have a quorum?

Actually it's the 25th amendment. The 18th was prohibition of alcohol. Somehow that sounds appropriate too.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

After hearing about prez meltdown and his junior high letter to Erdogan, I think somebody needs to think about that 18th? amendment where cabinet members can remove the psycho for being deranged. Anybody know if we have enough actual cabinet members to have a quorum?

All these things will grate on the senators' minds when there is a vote for removal.