What makes a terrorist?

[6thGen]

I really don?t care if you represented it was the root cause or one of many root causes. That is irrelevant to this debate because both are within the accepted definition of a ?root cause(s)?.

The issue here is that you keep offering your beliefs (see example above) that a catalyst or factor that is present in some examples of terrorism is somehow also a ?root cause?. It is not.

Poverty and hatred of Israel are also catalysts in some examples of terrorism, and yet you aren?t considering these to be ?root causes?.

Therefore your belief is incorrect.

It?s a common theme among the majority of examples. Demonstrating political and civil oppression isn?t a belief, it?s something that can be quantified, as are acts of terror. Again, you make a huge jump in your post. You say that I believe is that oppression is a root cause, or a catalyst, which is correct, and you say that my belief is wrong, which is incorrect. With this, you?ve jumped your statement that oppression is not necessarily a catalyst to oppression is not a catalyst. I?ll put the burden on you to explain why it?s an overwhelming theme when looking at examples of terrorism. As for poverty, the original author demonstrated that poverty is not a root cause, or a significant catalyst.

 

[Gypsea]

Yada, yada, yada!!! Can we move on now?

 

[6thGen]

Yada, yada, yada!!! Can we move on now?

I'm happy to. Next up, when I get some time, I'll show you why Karl Rove is very overrated.

 

[Uncle Timmy]

It?s a common theme among the majority of examples. Demonstrating political and civil oppression isn?t a belief, it?s something that can be quantified, as are acts of terror. Again, you make a huge jump in your post. You say that I believe is that oppression is a root cause, or a catalyst, which is correct, and you say that my belief is wrong, which is incorrect. With this, you?ve jumped your statement that oppression is not necessarily a catalyst to oppression is not a catalyst. I?ll put the burden on you to explain why it?s an overwhelming theme when looking at examples of terrorism. As for poverty, the original author demonstrated that poverty is not a root cause, or a significant catalyst.

The problem with this post is that you are inventing your own definition of ?root cause?.

See post # 134

A root cause is an initiating cause of a casual chain which leads to an outcome or effect of interest. Commonly, root cause is used to describe the depth in the casual chain where an intervention could reasonably be implemented to change performance and prevent an undesirable outcome.

A root cause isn?t going to be so common as civil and political oppression unless it commonly leads to terrorism, which it does not, as shown in the following examples:

Jewish Germans in the Reich 1933-1945
Cuban anti-Castro Groups
Dalits, the lowest rung on the Indian caste system
Tibetans living under Chinese occupation
The Chinese ethnic minority community within Vietnam
Black South Africans under Apartheid
Cambodian people under the Khmer Rouge
Bosnian Muslims under Serbian Control pre 1992
Indigenous Tribes in Guatemala and Honduras

And furthermore; by the above definition your example of ?civil and political oppression?, must, when absent, lead to an outcome other than terrorism. And yet, we see the following examples:

Timothy McVeigh
Richard Reid ?the shoebomber who grew up in England
Ted Kazinski ?the uni-bomber
Carlos the Jackal
Any anonymous ETA bomber



Under no acceptable definition of ?root cause? will you see ?a common theme among a majority of examples?.

 

[Uncle Timmy]

Predictable follow up.......

6thGen now attempts to invent his own definition of oppression.

Spare us the exercise in futility. Go back a re-read Post# 134.

 

[6thGen]

Typical Uncle Timmy to ignore the question and get into a pissing contest on definitions. I'm redefining neither. Again, use my drunk driving example.

Root Cause
An identified reason for the presence of a defect or problem.

The most basic reason, which if eliminated, would prevent recurrence.

The source or origin of an event.

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A root cause of a consequence is any basic underlying cause that was not in turn caused by more important underlying causes. (If the cause being considered was caused by more important underlying causes, those are candidates for being root causes.)

Now, admit you were wrong stating that oppression is not a catalyst, or in your words, a cataylist.

 

[Uncle Timmy]

Typical Uncle Timmy to ignore the question and get into a pissing contest on definitions. I'm redefining neither. Again, use my drunk driving example.

Root Cause
An identified reason for the presence of a defect or problem.

The most basic reason, which if eliminated, would prevent recurrence.

The source or origin of an event.

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A root cause of a consequence is any basic underlying cause that was not in turn caused by more important underlying causes. (If the cause being considered was caused by more important underlying causes, those are candidates for being root causes.)

Now, admit you were wrong stating that oppression is not a catalyst, or in your words, a cataylist.

Of course it is typical of me to ignore your attempts to divert the discussion onto irrelevant tangents and remain focused on the topic at hand. I have been doing so openly and loudly for the entire thread.

And of course we are focusing on the definitions, because you are inventing your own in order to back up your weak assertion that civil and political oppression is a root cause of terrorism.

Now let?s examine the NEW definitions you have provided from other sources (good to see you aren?t making up your own anymore)

Root Cause
The most basic reason, which if eliminated, would prevent recurrence.

Hmmm, interesting because when we eliminate civil and political oppression (assuming that is a root cause) theoretically we will prevent terrorism. And yet we do not see this.

In fact ETA was founded as an independence movement during Franco?s military dictatorship of Spain, and yet it has only used terrorism following the end of civil and political oppression under Franco and the establishment of democracy in Spain.

Exactly opposite the point you are trying to make.

 

[Uncle Timmy]

And I?m not done????.

Let?s look at the following definition you have provided:

A root cause of a consequence is any basic underlying cause that was not in turn caused by more important underlying causes. (If the cause being considered was caused by more important underlying causes, those are candidates for being root causes.)

Now are you saying that civil and political oppression doesn?t have any underlying causes? Nationalism? Religion? Economics? History?

Thank you for providing the previous definitions, you have bolstered my point tremendously.

 

[6thGen]

Again, you are the one on the tangent. Answer one simple question. You said before that political and civil oppression was not a catalyist (sic). Do you believe that oppression is a catalyst for terrorism?

 

[Uncle Timmy]

Again, you are the one on the tangent. Answer one simple question. You said before that political and civil oppression was not a catalyist (sic). Do you believe that oppression is a catalyst for terrorism?

Well ok, I guess you need yet one more wack over the head???.

?Political oppression is not necessarily a cataylist.?-Uncle Timmy

Keep chasing that boogieman 6thGen????????

Hint: 6thGen ? We are debating whether civil and political oppression is a root cause of terrorism. After you concede that point then we can go on to another topic and start a new thread where you examine the following, completely separate topic of:

Is civil and political oppression sometimes a catalyst, or factor in terrorism?

Well seeing as that you are your own worst enemy today, I?ll leave you to it for now.

Can?t wait to see what ill-though out argument you?re going to throw out next.