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What makes a terrorist?

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Uncle Timmy does not need any help from anyone but calling him intellectually bankrupt is laughable. I would think that 99.99% of people on this board would find his arguments sound, intelligent and well reasoned (regardless of whether or not they concur with his views and opinions).

Thanks Chickpea,

I have to admit that I wasn't sure what you were quoting at first and had to go back and quickly re-scan some of the posts to find it, ha.

Because EVERY 6thGen post is laced with gobs of mindless posturing I have adapted to simply glossing over it.....I hadn't noticed it before.

Considering the opinion is coming from someone who is suggesting that the KKK terror was the result of the US having been an oppressive regime in the 60's and 70's, isn't likely to bother me.
 
Yeah, we were keeping the thread bumped up and all that....:wub: to you:biggrin:

That's right. We were like the SuperBowl half time show. Without the Janet Jackson breast exposure of course.:biggrin:
 
As I stated earlier, this thread has become as much about exposing flawed thinking and how it can reinforce erroneous opinions, rather then a discussion of the stated subject, but I think we?ve let the charade run on enough to make that point.

So lets restore some measure of sanity to this thread, and get it back on track, by actually referencing some of the terms being throw around here rather than simply re-defining them to fit an argument.

From 6thGen?s favorite source Wikipedia:

Root Cause:

A root cause is an initiating cause of a casual chain which leads to an outcome or effect of interest. Commonly, root cause is used to describe the depth in the casual chain where an intervention could reasonably be implemented to change performance and prevent an undesirable outcome.
The term root cause has been used in professional journals as early as 1905, but the lack of a widely accepted definition after all this time indicates that there are significantly different interpretations of exactly what constitutes a root cause.

The two biggest differences in viewpoint regard the possibility of an outcome having more than one root cause.


Oppression:

Oppression
is the negative outcome experienced by people targeted by the cruel exercise of power in a society or social group. It is particularly closely associated with nationalism and derived social systems, wherein identity is built by antagonism to the other. The term itself derives from the idea of being "weighted down."

The term oppression is primarily used to describe how a certain group is being kept down by unjust use of force, authority or societal norms.

Terrorism:

The United States has defined terrorism under the Federal Criminal Code. Chapter 113B of Part I of Title 18 of the United States Code defines terrorism and lists the crimes associated with terrorism -
In Section 2331 of Chapter 113b, terrorism is defined as:
?activities that involve violent? or life-threatening acts? that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and? appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and? (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States? [or]? (C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States?"​
 
Under such a definition of oppression, the following examples can not reasonably be considered oppressed.

ETA -The Basque Seperatist Group (post Franco Regime)
The IRA
Klu Klux Klan
Colombian Drug Lords
Timothy McVeigh
UniBomber

And many more..........and yet these are all terrorists (by the definition).

Furthermore, a Root Cause or causes (by definition) will have to be present in a vast majority, if not all, examples. Therefore, civil and political oppression cannot be the root cause of terrorism.

Terrorism simply exists in too many examples where no unjust use of force or cruel power has been applied by a government (oppression) to warrant a root cause.

Clearly, something else is triggering terrorism.
 
Under such a definition of oppression, the following examples can not reasonably be considered oppressed.

ETA -The Basque Seperatist Group (post Franco Regime)
The IRA
Klu Klux Klan
Colombian Drug Lords
Timothy McVeigh
UniBomber

And many more..........and yet these are all terrorists (by the definition).

Furthermore, a Root Cause or causes (by definition) will have to be present in a vast majority, if not all, examples. Therefore, civil and political oppression cannot be the root cause of terrorism.

Terrorism simply exists in too many examples where no unjust use of force or cruel power has been applied by a government (oppression) to warrant a root cause.

Clearly, something else is triggering terrorism.

Based on your examples and other ones that exist, I believe that clearly there is no one thing triggering terrorism. Although we want it to be a nice and neat answer, I don't see how it would be unless it is something so broad that it doesn't matter and can't be "fixed" or used to stop future attacks.
 
Based on your examples and other ones that exist, I believe that clearly there is no one thing triggering terrorism. Although we want it to be a nice and neat answer, I don't see how it would be unless it is something so broad that it doesn't matter and can't be "fixed" or used to stop future attacks.

Cha Ching! We have a winner!

I think it is clear that there is no one simple 'root cause' of terrorism. Terrorism is a complex issue and therefore must have multiple reasons as to why someone (or some group) turns to this tactic.

Terrorism, at it's most basic, is simply a tool afterall. A tool in which a very small and weak group can leverage it's power and influence most effectively.

I would be interested in seeing if someone could suggest multiple causes -all acting together to trigger terrorism.

Variable A + Variable B + Variable C = Terrorism

Hint: Each variable is going to have to be present in all (or close to) examples of terrorism. Which is my way of pre-empting considering 'civil and political oppression' as one of the variables.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, however, to see that civil and political oppression is symptomatic (or concurrent) with one of the variables.
 
I think one could reasonably argue the IRA viewed itself as oppressed.

I agree. One could certainly argue this point but it gets into 'what came first the chicken or the egg'. Did the IRA bombings trigger a security crisis in Northern Ireland or was it the reverse?

I'll be the first to concede that my history of 'The Troubles' (as the Brits call it) isn't as up to snuff as my mid-east history.

Either way, by the definition of oppression listed earlier - a government will use excessive, or cruel methods to suppress a group that is being oppressed. I'm fairly certain that even at the height of the Troubles, the British Gov't exercised its authority within the accepted boundaries of a civil western democracy.
 
I think it is clear that there is no one simple 'root cause' of terrorism. Terrorism is a complex issue and therefore must have multiple reasons as to why someone (or some group) turns to this tactic.

Pretty much sums up the topic for me! Amazing how pages of posts referencing odd statistics, articles, and wikipedia definitions can be boiled down to a couple lines of common sense :roll:.
 
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